• October 11, 2017 at 4:44 am #71175
    Marianita
    Participant

    Talking about dementia and stuff. I just watched the Glen Campell, i be me movie (netflix). Very good and sad at the same time, a movie about a musician getting Alzheimer. Campell was lost without his teleprompter on his last tour

    Don't you think it's sometimes wise not to grow up?

    October 11, 2017 at 11:10 am #71183
    andrew t
    Participant

    I’d say that’s bang on, Stonehearted. I mean, it may be dementia it may not, but it is definitely a possibility, for any number of reasons.

    You’d think the extended rest between shows would help, but again if the mind is slipping then it can come and go whenever.

    It’s really something how much variance there is between shows.

    October 12, 2017 at 8:00 am #71200
    keefriffhards
    Participant

    If Keith has dementia its a long time coming. He has been forgetful since 81, forgetting words and making bum notes and in the wrong key.

    I would put my life on it that Keith does not have dementia.  He is very sharp, but some nights he is drunk stoned or hung over and that doesn’t help his cause.

    October 12, 2017 at 8:20 am #71205
    andrew t
    Participant

    It sure is fascinating to witness. Some nights are ok considering what year it is, and a few more are just complete shitshows. It’s also nicer to analyze without having to drop major bucks on a show and hoping for the best.

    That said, I’m rooting for you to have a good one in Paris, Riffy.

    I’m sure you’ll have your end covered and have a good time regardless!

    October 12, 2017 at 11:27 am #71208
    DandelionPowderman
    Participant

    Rather since 67, Riffie.

    Listen to 1969-bootlegs, Marquee or 1975-shows.

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    My cards are on the table

    October 12, 2017 at 1:06 pm #71209
    Nikkei
    Participant

    Tough job arguing for Keith these days. His playing is what it is, if Mick is okay with what he does, I guess I am too. What’s troubling me is the look in his eyes. In Hamburg he looked as if he’d rather be anywhere else than onstage. I feel sort of bad for not attending another show after that, but it really wasn’t a pleasant experience. The setlist was nice at least. But it really was an out of sync, disjointed concert. It was like all of them were each in a separate bubble, not acknowledging the others and going off in different directions. They didn’t work as a unit. I’ve seen this before, but it usually lasted only the first three songs, then they clicked. The sidecrew used to be like extended family (especially Lisa) now with the new sax guy, Clifford etc that feel is pretty much gone too. In hindsight, I probably shouldn’t have gone back after Roskilde. It would have been a perfect ending (for Bobby it was) Now, it seems Mick is past caring…

    October 12, 2017 at 4:03 pm #71212
    StrongBeach
    Participant

    I’d posit that they are all past caring. Every bit of objective evidence, e.g., the nightly take, points to the conclusion that what they are doing is working just fine.

    At their ages, what is the motivation to change when the cash registers are still ringing? The Stones have never been about protest, or even art, for that matter. They are a working band designed to entertain and put food on their tables and the tables of many future generations of heirs. We can make whatever aesthetic judgements occur to us; we can cheer or we can wince, as our individual sensibilities dictate … but the band? Not unlike Ol’ Man River, they just keep rollin’ along.

    October 12, 2017 at 4:33 pm #71213
    Cocaine Eyes
    Participant

    If Keith has dementia its a long time coming. He has been forgetful since 81, forgetting words and making bum notes and in the wrong key. I would put my life on it that Keith does not have dementia. He is very sharp, but some nights he is drunk stoned or hung over and that doesn’t help his cause.

    Hi KRiff. Just had to stop in here for a second. I tend to agree with you but since I’m NO medical doctor I hesitate to say. My mom had dementia/Alzheimers and it’s quite a terrible thing. Hoping for better meds to help control it/stave it off. Prevent it.

    OK, I’ll maybe do a few more posts.

    ~CE 🌻

     

    October 13, 2017 at 9:46 am #71272
    andrew t
    Participant

    If Keith has dementia its a long time coming. He has been forgetful since 81, forgetting words and making bum notes and in the wrong key. I would put my life on it that Keith does not have dementia. He is very sharp, but some nights he is drunk stoned or hung over and that doesn’t help his cause.

    Hi KRiff. Just had to stop in here for a second. I tend to agree with you but since I’m NO medical doctor I hesitate to say. My mom had dementia/Alzheimers and it’s quite a terrible thing. Hoping for better meds to help control it/stave it off. Prevent it. OK, I’ll maybe do a few more posts. ~CE 🌻

    My sympathies, CE.

    Alzheimer’s is rough to go through for everyone involved. It’s certainly one of the main aging mysteries research is trying to unlock.

    I’d tend to agree with Riffy and you- only because in interviews/stage banter etc he’s totally engaged, but SH’s speculation can’t be discounted because of course he is 73 with a lifetime of putting the old noodle through the ringer it’s always a possibility that some memory loss associated with the early stages could be there. Or it’s just plain old memory loss, combined with laziness/complacency that leads to those washout gigs.

     

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-10-unaware-memory-loss-alzheimer-disease.html

     

     

    October 14, 2017 at 3:23 am #71281
    Socrates
    Participant

    Yeah, I want one of those Do Not X-Ray t-shirts. I think Keith sounds good now and he actually looks great most of the time.

    October 14, 2017 at 12:43 pm #71291
    keefriffhards
    Participant

    Many things to comment on.

    I think Keith’s memory seems very good considering, the recent TV doc from last year . ”Origin Of The Species” shows Keith in fine fluent lucid form with exceptional memory of his childhood etc. Link below.

     

    NIKKEI.

    Nice to hear from you, i agree with your observation of Keith in Hamburg, he didn’t want to be there just like the 07′ tour.

    Very pleased to say he seems to have sorted himself out, maybe Keith was worried about the Hurricane going towards his home in Turks And Caicos, maybe he just didn’t feel like playing, who knows.

    Interesting your views of the Stones all playing their own show and not really playing as a unit. No one has said it like that, but that is exactly how it appeared in Hamburg.

    CE.

    Sorry to hear about your mom, and its nice to hear from you too.

    DP.

    Yes , haha Keith has indeed been forgetful since 67′ this is definitely nothing new with his lapses in concentration, remember Keith doesn’t think , he feels, well he forgets to feel sometimes lol.

    October 14, 2017 at 2:25 pm #71292
    Cocaine Eyes
    Participant

    KRiff reminded me that Aries people aren’t bashful to express our opinions. He’s right! THIS thread – “THE END” – is/WAS about Drake wanting to put an end to EOMS. I’ll NOW post my reasons for wanting/needing a time-out. No disrespect to Drake or to anyone else here.

    1. I finally must give credit to BV and to Doug for having some sort of “censorship”. This is a Rolling Stones Fan Site. The off-topic stuff about *other things* seems ridiculous at times.
    2.  If the majority of folks LIKE an off-topic thread AND contribute to it, well that’s all cool. (IE: politics) But a one-person thread where no one else participates seems silly to me. (Just my opinion)
    3. Drake and I talked about the KR & wetting the pants episode (IF it did happen) and we decided that EOMS should “take the high road”. Then, Drake posted the so-called pics and of course, someone else reposted them. So much for the high road!
    4. Thread and topics – it seems that here at EOMS many of us might begin a thread only to find that it goes off-topic rapidly and the “topic” gets lost. Sure, that can happen at IORR/Shidoobee, but someone usually comes along to suggest that the off-topic posters take it to PM and/or emails. That makes sense. I’d like to see topics remain *somewhat* on-topic.
    5. Should we consider banning/blocking? NO. But, there should be some sort of control here. It’s up to US to moderate ourselves. However, as humans, will/can we do that? Who knows? Seems not!
    6. As for the so-called censorship issue – the song is called StarFUCKER. I do find it silly at IORR and Shidoobee that fans actually post ‘Star******’ That’s taking it way too far.
    7. Let’s talk about the MUSIC. Sure, go ahead and criticize them for bum notes/out of sync things – but I suggest we stay away from personal attacks.
    8. The “diagnosed by fans” dementia. Please. We are only fans. We’re not medical doctors with specialties in neurology, are we? Let it go. How would any of us feel if we were diagnosed by complete strangers?

    OK, that’s my paltry ramblings for now. I’m going to post this now before it goes POOF. (I had a post on this topic go POOF a few moments ago.)

    God Bless the Rolling Stones. Best to Drake in his decisions re EOMS.

    ~CE 🌻

     

     

    October 14, 2017 at 4:00 pm #71293
    stonehearted
    Participant

    I think Keith’s memory seems very good considering, the recent TV doc from last year . ”Origin Of The Species” shows Keith in fine fluent lucid form with exceptional memory of his childhood etc.  

    Dementia affects short-term memory; long-term memory remains essentially intact, though you may at times forget whether someone from long ago has passed on.

    October 14, 2017 at 4:37 pm #71295
    Cocaine Eyes
    Participant

    KRiff reminded me that Aries people aren’t bashful to express our opinions. He’s right! THIS thread – “THE END” – is/WAS about Drake wanting to put an end to EOMS. I’ll NOW post my reasons for wanting/needing a time-out. No disrespect to Drake or to anyone else here.

    1. I finally must give credit to BV and to Doug for having some sort of “censorship”. This is a Rolling Stones Fan Site. The off-topic stuff about *other things* seems ridiculous at times.
    2. If the majority of folks LIKE an off-topic thread AND contribute to it, well that’s all cool. (IE: politics) But a one-person thread where no one else participates seems silly to me. (Just my opinion)
    3. Drake and I talked about the KR & wetting the pants episode (IF it did happen) and we decided that EOMS should “take the high road”. Then, Drake posted the so-called pics and of course, someone else reposted them. So much for the high road!
    4. Thread and topics – it seems that here at EOMS many of us might begin a thread only to find that it goes off-topic rapidly and the “topic” gets lost. Sure, that can happen at IORR/Shidoobee, but someone usually comes along to suggest that the off-topic posters take it to PM and/or emails. That makes sense. I’d like to see topics remain *somewhat* on-topic.
    5. Should we consider banning/blocking? NO. But, there should be some sort of control here. It’s up to US to moderate ourselves. However, as humans, will/can we do that? Who knows? Seems not!
    6. As for the so-called censorship issue – the song is called StarFUCKER. I do find it silly at IORR and Shidoobee that fans actually post ‘Star******’ That’s taking it way too far.
    7. Let’s talk about the MUSIC. Sure, go ahead and criticize them for bum notes/out of sync things – but I suggest we stay away from personal attacks.
    8. The “diagnosed by fans” dementia. Please. We are only fans. We’re not medical doctors with specialties in neurology, are we? Let it go. How would any of us feel if we were diagnosed by complete strangers?

    OK, that’s my paltry ramblings for now. I’m going to post this now before it goes POOF. (I had a post on this topic go POOF a few moments ago.) God Bless the Rolling Stones. Best to Drake in his decisions re EOMS. ~CE 🌻

    Quoting myself so it doesn’t get overlooked as so often happens.

    ~CE 🍁

    October 14, 2017 at 5:15 pm #71297
    stonehearted
    Participant

    I think Keith’s memory seems very good considering, the recent TV doc from last year . ”Origin Of The Species” shows Keith in fine fluent lucid form with exceptional memory of his childhood etc. Link below. he feels, well he forgets to feel sometimes lol.

    KRiff, I meant to comment on that BBC TV special on Keith Richards, Origin of the Species — finally got around to viewing it, thanks for posting.

     

    That head shot still for the clip — I thought it looked strangely like Keith, only if he’d led a normal life instead of the “pirate’s path” he traveled down. I mean, he could have looked like any other old English gent:

     

    Image result for keith richards origin of the species

     

    The clip you posted is an hour long. But there’s a clip on Vimeo that runs about an hour and twenty:

     

    https://vimeo.com/195297471

     

    (image for the Vimeo link below):

     

    Image result for keith richards origin of the species

    October 14, 2017 at 9:37 pm #71300
    stonehearted
    Participant

    Has anyone heard anything further on the archival release of BBC performances?

     

     

    I was under the impression it was supposed to have been out by now.

     

    That’s one archive release I’m surely looking forward to!

    October 14, 2017 at 9:38 pm #71301
    stonehearted
    Participant

    Here’s the track listing:

     

    1. “Come On” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 26 October 1963
    2. “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 18 September 1965
    3. “Roll Over Beethoven” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 26 October 1963
    4. “The Spider And The Fly” <i>Yeah Yeah</i>, 30 August 1965
    5. “Cops And Robbers” <i>Blues in Rhythm</i>, 9 May 1964
    6. “It’s All Over Now” <i>The Joe Loss Pop Show</i>, 17 July 1964
    7. “Route 66″ <i>Blues in Rhythm</i>, 9 May 1964
    8. “Memphis, Tennessee”<i> Saturday Club</i>, 26 October 1963
    9. “Down The Road Apiece” <i>Top Gear</i>, 6 March 1965
    10. “The Last Time” <i>Top Gear</i>, 6 March 1965
    11. “Cry To Me” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 18 September 1965
    12. “Mercy, Mercy” <i>Yeah Yeah</i>, 30 August 1965
    13. “Oh! Baby (We Got A Good Thing Goin’)” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 18 September 1965
    14. “Around And Around” <i>Top Gear</i>, 23 July 1964
    15. “Hi Heel Sneakers” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 18 April 1964
    16. “Fannie Mae” <i>Saturday Club</i>, 18 September 1965
    17. “You Better Move On” <i>Blues in Rhythm</i>, 9 May 1964
    18. “Mona” <i>Blues In Rhythm</i>, 9 May 1964

    October 14, 2017 at 9:54 pm #71302
    stonehearted
    Participant

    Speaking of the BBC and the sixties, wasn’t BBC announcer and host Brian Matthew quite an

    interesting personality? I mean, he seemed the very embodiment and voice of the BBC in those days.

     

    Image result for brian matthew bbc announcer 1965

     

    Someone once asked me if Brian Matthew looks like he sounds, and I had to say yes.

     

    Image result for brian matthews sounds of the sixties

     

    Because, obviously, you can’t get any more BBC-looking than Brian Matthew, can you?

     

    Image result for brian matthew bbc announcer 1965

     

    And just look at this pic of Brian Matthew at home with his wife, going through records

    for an upcoming broadcast. The tasteful yet unassuming warmth of that classic sixties,

    decor, that wide window view overlooking the deep, soft serenity of the evening in the

    English countryside just coming on… Yes, I think I would have been quite content to be

    Brian Matthew.

     

    Image result for brian matthew bbc announcer 1965

     

    October 15, 2017 at 2:20 pm #71462
    D
    Keymaster

    Keith Richards’ marked and noticeable decline on this European tour is not due to old age or even arthritis.

    Pete Townshend still plays magnificently, and he’s only a year and a half older.

    Keith Richards has had those knobby hands for many years, at the very least since the early 2000s, when many agree he was still playing great.

    Remember, he had a head injury (and/or) stroke in 2006. Since then, he has had to take the anti-seizure drug Dilantin — for life.

    Traumatic brain injury (if that’s what it was, falling out of the “tree” or “shrub” whatever) can lead to dementia.

    Also, long-term use of Dilantin can lead to what is known as “cerebral atrophy”.

    For instance, you want to do something, but the brain doesn’t register the command — like play a guitar solo properly, the way Keith signaled to fans in the opening number Sympathy For The Devil in Hamburg, where he placed the fingers of his left hand on the wrong place on the fretboard, and he held his hand up shaking it as if to say I’m not quite warmed up yet HA!HA!. And then there’s that highly visible but just as highly censored instance of his apparent urinary incontinence onstage — incontinence is another symptom of dementia.

    Every guitar solo I’ve heard him play on this tour — mind you, I haven’t been there — has been… disturbingly different from previous tours. Take Satisfaction. It’s just… stilted, aimless. Certainly not what he would do, in terms of the language of music, in previous tours. It’s now as if he can’t take three notes (i.e., words) and make them coherent in a sentence (i.e., the language of music).

    This sudden and apparent lack of faculty is alarming when you contrast it with the clip below, from 2013 where he plays, quite well and quite focused throughout, the middle solo of It’s All Over Now (starts at 1:23), which they dusted off for the guest appearance of John Fogerty:

    I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised that Keith may be suffering from the beginning stages of dementia (the urinary incontinence is surely a sign, as is his many forgetful mistakes now in concert) — after all, Terry Jones (from Monty Python) now can barely put two words together anymore from reports, and he is in his seventies, and there is the recent case of David Cassidy who had to stop performing recently, and he is in his sixties. And, of course, there is Keith with his traumatic brain injury (and/or stroke) and his noticeable and sudden decline in faculties.

    Drake, whatever you decide to do — it is your site, your endeavor, so ultimately you must decide whether you still find it worthwhile for your time and expense.

    But, just to put my two cents worth in…

    It seems odd to want to close down a site dedicated to a band just because they seem to be winding down to the end of their career.

    Rolling Stones fandom does indeed seem unique, in that unlike other bands from the era in which they began, Rolling Stones fans have never as yet had to deal with the reality of their retirement or demise. They only disbanded once, between 1986 and 1988 with no future plans or expectations to continue on, but that was kept from the public, so that when they regrouped in 1989 then to the general public it just felt like a usual brake between new albums.

    Rolling Stones fans have always seemed unusually spoiled — always rightly looking ahead, taking for granted that next recording project, that next set of concert dates.

    So, why not these enduring online sites where fans can interact and celebrate what they know and love?

    Maybe in a year or two there will be no more Rolling Stones. But even so, a hugely successful 55-year-plus career in show business is not about to be forgotten anytime soon, certainly not in our lifetime, and the more outlets there are for fans to connect and celebrate that, even if mainly for times past, then the better.

    Oh, and in keeping with the original spirit of this forum, regarding “What Are You Drinking Tonight?”, well tonight I had 8 of these…

    Image result for stella artois cans

    I used to drink 10 a night, but now I’ve but back to 8. Health consciousness and all that.

    As for “What Are You Eating Tonight?”, I like a box of bacon. It helps me sleep after a drinking night.

    Image result for wellshire classic dry rubbed bacon

    Actually, I’ve had 1 box plus two thirds of a second box. I’ll keep what’s left and the third box for tomorrow night’s beer quota.

    Hope you will all be well, even in a world with no more active Rolling Stones.

    But there will still be beer, bacon, and record collections.

    Just wanted to say thank you for the stellar and well-thought-out post.

    October 15, 2017 at 2:41 pm #71465
    Marianita
    Participant

    Has anyone heard anything further on the archival release of BBC performances? I was under the impression it was supposed to have been out by now. That’s one archive release I’m surely looking forward to!

    ordered two vinyl copies,Amazon. Available for pre-order. This item will be released on 1 December 2017.

    Don't you think it's sometimes wise not to grow up?

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